Looking good, Katto, I've always wanted to experiment making a 3d city which is mostly flat but with the major buildings in 3d (it's on the to do list somewhere, lol). I use Bryce 6 which is pretty stable on my computer, but as I've just invested the messiah pro software, I'm aiming to switch to that for texturing / rendering. It's a pain having to learn all the new commands etc and I'm not sure how good messiah is on doing landscapes since it's primarily for animation. I've also downloaded the free version of Vue and am playing with it too, but I find it's quite slow on my computer (not so much the rendering but giving it commands etc). Still, the results one seems to get from vue on landscapes is mindblowing looking at the example pictures, so I'll probably work more with vue than Messiah.