[Region 1][Map 07] - Thrubmorton Fens

[Redrobes]

I think its more than a reformat. I don't think that there is a single paragraph that hasn't been essentially rewritten. Theres loads of stuff that has been removed or is now changed from the intentions of the area. The category that I made has been removed making my page uncategorized again.

We have a whole world to build. There are just 25 pages in the whole wiki of which my one is the largest at a mere 6K. If were worried enough about where the berries for a local pasty come from then this wiki is completely off the rails.

We don't need all that much stuff changed. The stuff we need changed are things that contradict the overall plan or the interfaces between areas and we definitely done need very much stuff removed.

I think ill hold off adding any more stuff to it until some kind of established format and protocol gets put in place.

[industrygothica]

I think its more than a reformat. I don't think that there is a single paragraph that hasn't been essentially rewritten. Theres loads of stuff that has been removed or is now changed from the intentions of the area. The category that I made has been removed making my page uncategorized again.

We have a whole world to build. There are just 25 pages in the whole wiki of which my one is the largest at a mere 6K. If were worried enough about where the berries for a local pasty come from then this wiki is completely off the rails.

We don't need all that much stuff changed. The stuff we need changed are things that contradict the overall plan or the interfaces between areas and we definitely done need very much stuff removed.

I think ill hold off adding any more stuff to it until some kind of established format and protocol gets put in place.

As for the catagory, that was an oversight. I didn't mean to leave that out.

For the rest of the stuff, I thought I was doing what I was supposed to be doing. It wasn't my intent to change the intention of your area; I thought I'd kept it true.

Regardless, I apologize if I overstepped. I've changed it back to the way it was and will leave your area alone in the future.

[Redrobes]

I'm sorry for my waspish response there IG. I was a little shocked thats all and I reckon that the basis of my shock was that my expectations of the way the wiki is being made is different to the way its intended.

I think that you should be editing the Thrub region in the wiki but my expectation was that it would be minor edits to fix up the disparities to the different regions or do the general maintenance. I can see that the intention is to apply more general formatting and narrative to them.

I just started writing any old nonsense that I thought would relate to the area I am doing though I have a lot more in my head. So it started with Wyverns and pasties but I think that maybe I should have started with more top down information like the captial forts and castles, major power bases, influential people etc.

I can see that there needs to be a more two way thing going on. Maybe have a mapper scratch pad area of information to be formatted and embellished by the editors and that the editors discuss some of the more fundamental changes being made to see if it fits in.

So I will provide some better detail about the area and post it here in a looser uncorrelated fashion and hope that you will take that and make something of it.

More info later as I am out of time again...

[industrygothica]

I do apologize for the confusion and the shock.

Once a standard format is decided upon by the editors there should be much less confusion, I think. I've thrown an idea out to the others and am waiting now for them to either approve it or suggest an alternative. Hopefully that won't be long and everything will get sorted out soon.


-IG

[Robbie]

Keep in mind, the pages of the Wiki have a discussion tab at the top that can be used to talk about whats being done to the page...That migh tbe a good way to throw down ideas so they're easy to move from discussion to active.

[Redrobes]

I have been thinking a bit more whilst at work... what do you think about having a scratch page per major topic - like a tile region - where anyone can throw in loose data, facts and snippets onto the page which has no structure or narrative and then the editors can cut and paste or form text based on all of that data. When some of that scratch data makes it into proper formatted text then the editor can delete it from the scratch area. Like a fact purgatory. In that way the main page does not get edited quite so much and by so many different people giving it a more consistent feel. I don't think that there would be as much overlap of work or toe treading.

I was also going to comment in the same way that Arcana has about the discussion tab and that might be the best way to deal with required factual, continuity or basic changes derived or fed back from the main page.

There was another minor point in that somebody was making a page of pages. WikiMedia will do that for you with the special pages on the left menu. Theres lots in there about orphaned pages, uncategorized stuff etc so again, less need to duplicate work when unnecessary. A better way to do that index is through the use of categories too - they are particularly useful since you can have multiple indexes based on different criteria. One obvious category would be Ansium or whatever we decide upon. Then I would expect each tile area to have its own category too. Pages can have multiple categories so the Lesser Wyvern might be in Ansium, Thrub, and Monsters all at the same time.

[industrygothica]

I have been thinking a bit more whilst at work... what do you think about having a scratch page per major topic - like a tile region - where anyone can throw in loose data, facts and snippets onto the page which has no structure or narrative and then the editors can cut and paste or form text based on all of that data. When some of that scratch data makes it into proper formatted text then the editor can delete it from the scratch area. Like a fact purgatory. In that way the main page does not get edited quite so much and by so many different people giving it a more consistent feel. I don't think that there would be as much overlap of work or toe treading.

I was also going to comment in the same way that Arcana has about the discussion tab and that might be the best way to deal with required factual, continuity or basic changes derived or fed back from the main page.

There was another minor point in that somebody was making a page of pages. WikiMedia will do that for you with the special pages on the left menu. Theres lots in there about orphaned pages, uncategorized stuff etc so again, less need to duplicate work when unnecessary. A better way to do that index is through the use of categories too - they are particularly useful since you can have multiple indexes based on different criteria. One obvious category would be Ansium or whatever we decide upon. Then I would expect each tile area to have its own category too. Pages can have multiple categories so the Lesser Wyvern might be in Ansium, Thrub, and Monsters all at the same time.

I think a scratch area is an excellent idea. Were you thinking of something else other than the discussion page for that?