Thanks, anomiecoalition.

Great thought on the different sheets for trees for shading. I still have a lot to learn in general, and particularly the whole sheet, and layer issue. Everytime I place a road or text I have a heck of time trying to delete it without deleting all the trees underneath it or similar. I assume it has something to do with the layers and sheets.

lol, I probably should read the manual at some point. Just couldnt stop trying force my way through it, only reading a little at a time.

Thanks again