Ok. I'm using the latest gimp. I have the terrain worked out already and it is very clear about the height differences from small inclines to very steep cliffs. To do this I used hundreds of lines, spaced out for gentle slopes and thickly layered for vertical drops. It's kinda like a drawing version of modern topographical maps. I don't really like the bevel, looked at it and wasn't thrilled, never thought about stacking it. Gonna look into the bump map. Thanks for the help. Now I just need to get three more posts then I have a feeling i'll get a bit more help.