Inhabitants of the world. Any need for illustrations?

[jfrazierjr]

Ok. so after Picking up my jaw off the ground... all I have to say is WOW. As SG already stated. VTT's are virtual table tops. Made original so that people who were not in the same room could still play together and see the same Map and using tokens (such as the one you made in the last post as a virtual miniature on the software. Redrobes on this forum actually wrote ViewingDale. Likewise, Trevor wrote Maptool
OpenRPG, Battlegrounds, and several others on the market. They range from free to pay for GM only to play for each copy and each has their own strenghts and weaknesses.

As for the token, SWEET. The only thing I would say to make it better would be that most people using top down tokens have the resolution set to 100,150, or 200 px per inch for good zooming in, and most top downs expect stuff not part of the body/clothing/gear to be transparent png. You can take a quick look over at fouruglymonsters.com or rpgmapshare.com for a few other examples. Also, FYI, you could make a bit of side money producing portraits and tokens of this quality. Of course, if you give them away for free, that will not hurt my feelings any!!!!

[Steel General]

VTT = Virtual Table Top

As far as your English goes, its better than a lot of people I've known who have spoke/wrote it their entire lives, besides WIKI's are meant to be edited, so don't let that stop you.

[Valarian]

Wow ... the quality of the illustrations is amazing. I'd love to see more of the illustrations, and I think it adds real depth to a setting to see character illustrations. If you should happen to bump across Akron in your travels ....

[^Atti Hekotik^]

Here is a major DISTINCTION which needs to be made.
I will likely endure some reproachful tribulations, as a result of this formalistic contention, within this community.

Even though it is often advantageous to be complete; or further, to complete a genesis of a realm, by instituting some complimentary edificial aspects: one of the most prominent faults of simply [allowing] the indeterminate, intervening details to be ascribed with stoifying, traditional 'place-holder 'symbolism; is that it completely stunts any of the novel, engenuitive, creative rumminations, which make an artistic challenge like this, revelatory, and transformative.

Where it appears to be this discussions signal purpose to illustrate what it is that can graphically consist between, mutually devised territories; beyond honouring any of the prospective attributes, that distinct to the consolaries in everyone's contributions.
I think there needs to be an intermediating role to determine the historical altercations, which would make a comprehensive amolgumation more cohesive; with the necessary underpinnings that conscribe the ebb and flow of civilized annuities.

To confer my allegorical postulate: '{°what natural realm might consist between the (postulative: figurative; per-say°) races of Neolithic herdsman, and lazer-brandishing cyborgs~"} ~ ~`

Atticus-

[Wingshaw]

Here is a major DISTINCTION which needs to be made.
I will likely endure some reproachful tribulations, as a result of this formalistic contention, within this community.

Even though it is often advantageous to be complete; or further, to complete a genesis of a realm, by instituting some complimentary edificial aspects: one of the most prominent faults of simply [allowing] the indeterminate, intervening details to be ascribed with stoifying, traditional 'place-holder 'symbolism; is that it completely stunts any of the novel, engenuitive, creative rumminations, which make an artistic challenge like this, revelatory, and transformative.

Where it appears to be this discussions signal purpose to illustrate what it is that can graphically consist between, mutually devised territories; beyond honouring any of the prospective attributes, that distinct to the consolaries in everyone's contributions.
I think there needs to be an intermediating role to determine the historical altercations, which would make a comprehensive amolgumation more cohesive; with the necessary underpinnings that conscribe the ebb and flow of civilized annuities.

To confer my allegorical postulate: '{°what natural realm might consist between the (postulative: figurative; per-say°) races of Neolithic herdsman, and lazer-brandishing cyborgs~"} ~ ~`

Atticus-

Uh, Atticus: let me please inform you that this makes absolutely no sense to me at all. I'm a native English speaker with a good grasp of the language. And I would like to respectfully suggest you dial down your vocabulary a lot, or else you're not going to be understood very easily around here.

Wingshaw

[Valarian]

I've added Bernold to the Wiki. The link is on the Overview page as Aldamar's Arbitrators, under the Organisations section.

The page: http://cwbp.cartographersguild.com/i...le=Arbitrators

[Redrobes]

Wow (wheres that eye popping emoticon when you need it). I mean just wow. How do you do that ? So you use poser and then have some technique to get it into something you color up ? Is that it ? Do you trace out the 3D model with a pen or get some technique to get you part way there. You gotta shine some light on that process.

I got a new head model I could try to use to do the same (in a halfassed kind of way) if only I knew how.

Oh yes... VTTs - you should play with them sometime. But the top down view is awesome. You can play with the figure on the map and have the front view on the character sheet for all to see what he looks like. Its perfect. Im not on my regular PC tonight but I will ensure that he gets some images and coverage in the fens.

[Robbie]

is it cell shading with post processing?

[12rounds]

The only thing I would say to make it better would be that most people using top down tokens have the resolution set to 100,150, or 200 px per inch for good zooming in, and most top downs expect stuff not part of the body/clothing/gear to be transparent png. You can take a quick look over at fouruglymonsters.com or rpgmapshare.com for a few other examples.

I'll make a note of that. Thanks.

Also, FYI, you could make a bit of side money producing portraits and tokens of this quality. Of course, if you give them away for free, that will not hurt my feelings any!!!!

Hmm... well so far it's only been nickles and dimes really. There are so many talented illustrators out there and I know many industry professionals have issues with 3D work. I have a well-paying day job as a Java programmer and do these illustrations in my spare time. Of course doing paid commission work would indeed be welcome, there's no denying that, but I've not actively pursued it (apart from having sold a few copies of character collections years ago and never receiving replies to inquiries sent over to a dozen or so gaming houses).

How do you do that ? So you use poser and then have some technique to get it into something you color up ? Is that it ? Do you trace out the 3D model with a pen or get some technique to get you part way there. You gotta shine some light on that process.

I first device a concept (on paper usually), then see if I can accomplish that without modelling and retexturing. Usually I can't so it's quite common to first retexture and morph models before I even start.

Setting up things in Poser and once happy in the overall composition then I apply a set of some rather complex shader nodes. Nowadays it just takes two to three render passes to get me where I want to. Then in Photoshop I blend the renders together and just paint over on the blended composite. I started refining this process years ago so all I can say it just takes a lot of practise. About 1/3 of total time is spent in 3D and 2/3 in 2D (Gimp, Photoshop). I also do minor modelling (morphs and small items) in Blender or Wings. It's fairly common for me to just paint whole costumes or other details too if I judge it's easier to do that way. I've been using a Wacom tablet for the past 6 years - I wouldn't even dream of doing anything like this with a plain 'ol mouse. It takes anywhere between 2-5 hours per image.

Oh yes... VTTs - you should play with them sometime.

Yea. I've been a traditional table-top player since mid-80's and I guess since I have a regular group, there's never been a need to get into virtual gaming in the net.

is it cell shading with post processing?

More or less so as explained above.

[jfrazierjr]

The going rate for things like this is $2-$5 for 20-30 tokens, or something along those lines. If you were to create similar creatures in a set, I expect you could probably bang them out around 3 hours each on average. 20 figures x 3 hours each = 60 hours / $3 a pack and you would just need to sell 30 packs to make $20 per hour. For this quality, I would certainly pay a couple of bucks for 20 tokens(though probably over a 2-3 months time)

I know for me, I would love to have a good number (30 or so each) tokens of Orcs, Goblins, Kobolds, Elves, Dwarfs, halflings, etc. In most cases, you might find around 5 good ones of the monster races and I personally would like a bit more variety(since I tend to like larger scale battles)

As for VTT's if you have a projector, large screen TV, or every player has a computer/laptop at the table, using a VTT can bring some great new features to your play. For example, when everyone uses a computer, most VTT's offer independent views for the assigned token owner. What that means is Thark(played by Billy) goes around a corner by himself while Seth(Played by Jim) stays a few feet from the corner. With many VTT's, Billy will "see" several orcs on his version of the map while Jim will not because the VTT handles actual line of site issues as if it were a real person (but from a top down perpective of course!) Also, many VTT's offer some type of dice rolling or even macro creation so you can automate any complicated formulas. This part drastically speeds up play IMO. I have seen the same battle run live in "normal" face to face and the same battle run in a VTT and the VTT one lasted 1/3 of the time (and was just as exciting). Granted, there were different players, but the characters were pretty much the same types/rolls between the two sessions. Not having to think about adding up bonus x/penlaty y, etc can speed the game up. Even when I play in our face to face group, I play diceless now and rarely take more than 5 seconds to report my action and results to the GM, while several others using dice typically take 30 seconds or more. This does not count when a player fumbles dice and has to reroll. Full Disclosure: One of our biggest holdups in our face to face game is one player who does not pay attention AND tends to ask all sorts of dumb questions during his turn AND is a rules lawyer. We even had to have the GM implment a shot clock just because of this player. So, this may taint my experiences.