Well, I too hate Manga-style art, and have a hard time understanding what the whole infatuation is with it. But if that is what he prefers, you may have to suck it up...or compromise, maybe a 50/50 split of manga & realistic. Sort of like how back in the 1st Ed days we had such wonderful artists as Jeff Dee, Willingham, and Erol Otis all working on art for the same product, and even WITHIN the same module etc.
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I'd stick to your guns on that one. The art defines the flavour and I'm guessing you don't want the setting to go all manga on you. It's a style of story and character as well as a style of art. If you create the art but not the flavour to go with it, then your audience isn't going to stick around - and the people you would be targeting are likely to be turned away by the manga art and not read the text which they would otherwise be interested in.
Great news, GP, congrats. At least it's not Anime...can't stand those gigantic eyes, no noses, big heads, overdeveloped bosoms, school-girl dresses, cliche personalities and uber spikey hair. Although, Manga has been heading in this direction too the past decade. Well at least they don't have fuzzy tails and cat ears. Good luck, bro and I'll certainly keep my eyes open for whenever it drops.
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Ummmm....Anime is the animated form of Manga, and Hentai.......well.......Originally Posted by Ascension
Daniel the Neon Knight: Campaign Cartographer User
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Really?! I thought the old Speed Racer stuff (the original), Battle of the Planets, and Voltron were Manga...hmph, I'll be darned. Thanks.
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Very cool!
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Tim
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I thought Manga was the company that imported a lot of the Japanese art and the term got coined for the style of art since they were the only company doing it. Maybe I am completely wrong tho - I am not into it in anything more than a token way.
I have a question about the Kaiden stuff too. Will the maps for it be CC licensed in the same way as the rest of the CWBP ? You said it would be expensive to produce which would be hard to reconcile with the free distribution model of CC stuff.
Yeah, I know...
Yeah, I know, which is part of the reason why I haven't created the map yet. Since I am the primary publisher, as well as the cartographer. I think I will make the whole island map as CC, but the specific maps used in the adventure arc as not.
The foreigner's port of Gaijinoshima really needs to be created first, then say one-third or one-fifth of the island - the provinces and ports on the western coast is the next map. These two may or may not be CC - but these are the maps that I plan to develope first. Then all the encounter scale maps for the adventure series will probably not be CC either.
Because I am the publisher/cartographer however, I think for marketing purposes to be able to produce some of the maps CC could help promote the product idea to a wider audience, especially since there's no cost in distribution.
As always, however, in the publication I will point to Gamer Printshop services so I can still profit from the CC maps, as well as the "All Rights Reserved" map.
Edit: the primary "cost" is illustration, for the initial downloadable only product, as maps, writing, editing are either me or work in exchange for maps, so the initial product should be fairly affordable. Once I go to a printed book format, its the printing and covers that is expensive.
GP
PS: the maps I am doing as "work exchange" will be for a Victorian Era vampire adventure mod.
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Production framework...
The production framework as I see it:
1. First I am going to create a 3 adventure module mini-campaign arc that will probably be ready for PDF publication in May or June called: The Gaijin Gift, as it will be an adventure with a party of standard D&D classes from Ansium or outside the Empire of Kaidan; "gaijin" is outsiders.
2. Thoughts are I may be creating a Kaidenese mini-campaign arc of 3 adventures that are locally grown Kaidan characters. Hopefully this campaign can coincide with Pathfinder's official release, then publish this as a Pathfinder product. As well as republishing The Gaijin Gift as Pathfinder at that time also.
3. Then I'll begin work on a setting format for Kaiden in hard cover form. That will be the expensive production.
Plus I got other ideas in case the product/setting works...
1. The Book of Katta - a martial arts and oriental weapons arts book for Kaidan as well as use in any other Pathfinder setting with martial arts needs. To include Katta schools each which have their own progression of specific feats to conform to a given style. Some of those feats, fall under "wire-fu" Ki powers special combat maneuvers. Perhaps some martial arts prestige classes, including Ninja/Ninjutsu as well as weapons and magic items for martial artists. (Hard bound edition.)
2. Obake - the Beastiary of Kaidan, a Monsters Manual product (hard bound).
3. Then perhaps a full campaign arc taking PCs from 1st to 20th level+ in both PDF and printed softbound format.
Thoughts?
GP
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This all sounds jolly exciting and best of luck. On the CC thing I think its all about whether its a derivative or not. So if your island is a map of Neons World data then its a derivative. If you put a spot on that and say I am going to have a city there called "CityAaaay" or "CityBe" and make a map then the city map can be whatever you like it to be because its not based on an existing CWBP map any more. We would have to be a bit careful not to include much detail in our CWBP wiki about the area and just post a link to your Kaiden site instead and noting that its an external site. If the info is in our wiki then it could be construed to be that this info is CC.
Its a nice idea to be able to start your campaign in Ansium do a bit there and get on a boat, travel for a few weeks and then have some modules already prepared to play some more tho when you land or vice-versa.
I reckon you will have a lot on your plate now but getting in some extra writers and artists will make the whole package a great product. That artist you are working with had some great pics on the link you posted. The one where the dwarves are looking down the crevasse gives me vertigo. Its superb.
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