4E Dungeons & Dragons - Verdict?

[Blaidd Drwg]

Please, a little less insults, a little more arguments. If it's so obvious, it shouldn't be too hard to come up with some.

[msa]

They were targeting MMO's. You're blind if you can't see that.

Great reply. Makes you look brilliant. Totally not the half-witted trolling we've come to expect from you.

[NymTevlyn]

It's the simple truth. D&D 4th edition borrowed many ideas and mechanics from MMO's. Deal with it. Would you rather I called you ignorant instead of blind?

[msa]

It's the simple truth. D&D 4th edition borrowed many ideas and mechanics from MMO's. Deal with it. Would you rather I called you ignorant instead of blind?

I was totally being genuine... don't be so insecure. Great points! I can see since you are repeating what I said that you are great at reading too. Check out the big brain on Nym!

[NeonKnight]

I sort of agree with what you are saying... except the part I quoted. Saying that WotC did it because they specifically wanted to target MMOs has a number of problems:

First, it's basically an exercise in trying to guess someone's intentions, which is silly. Do you work at WotC? Do you know anyone that does? What indication is there that this is *why* they did it? Just looking sort of the same is not enough.

Hoho!!!!!!!!!

Finally a Question that YES, YES I CAN ANSWER!

Yes, WotC DID do this to compete with the WoW type games, etc.

And how do I know this? While I won't say I have played at their house or we go to movies together, or anything of that kind, I CAN say I have sat and chatted with people like Rob Heinsoo and Andy Collins personally at events like Gen Con and D&D XP (Their personal we are gonna do nothing but play D&D ALL DAMN WEEKEND! con in February). Both are listed on the credits page as the design team along with James Wyatt, and I cannot remeber if I talked with him

So WotC looked at things in the WoW (and similar things like Everquest and Guildwars and other MMOs) and said what works there that we can represent on the tabletop?

Again, from personal conversations with them.

[Redrobes]

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[Steel General]

Let's keep this civil here people...

[msa]

So WotC looked at things in the WoW (and similar things like Everquest and Guildwars and other MMOs) and said what works there that we can represent on the tabletop?

Again, from personal conversations with them.

Oops, I see I was a little unclear.

I am sure they used MMO techniques and learned from MMOs. I thought my post made that clear. I just am not sure I buy the "they are trying to steal MMO *players*" conspiracy theory. I think they are just trying to make quality RPG based on the MMO research.

But thanks for the post!

[Gandwarf]

Yes, WotC DID do this to compete with the WoW type games, etc.

It seems logical. I also find it a bit funny. A lot of computer games were once based on D&D rules. Now they are looking at computer games for inspiration

[NeonKnight]

Oops, I see I was a little unclear.

I am sure they used MMO techniques and learned from MMOs. I thought my post made that clear. I just am not sure I buy the "they are trying to steal MMO *players*" conspiracy theory. I think they are just trying to make quality RPG based on the MMO research.

But thanks for the post!

Ahhhh...Then the answer to that would be "in a sense".

See, the Gaming industry is a little different from say the Coke/Pepsi wars and it's version of Brand Loyalty.

WotC is not trying to steal players. They know those players will continue to spend time/money playing WoW. What they DO want to do though is to steal some of THAT money and time.

Much like I play D&D (4e obviously), but I also play Warhammer Fantasy (Lizardmen and Tomb Kings), AND I play computer games (Left 4Dead and Battlefield 2).