Reverse Quantizing, AKA - how to get a heightfield from contour lines

[ravells]

Very cool!

Being able to generate a smooth heightfield from contours would be amazingly useful in terms of controlling where you want your mountains etc to go, how high they are and how steep.

By 'interpolate' do you mean a gradient fill from one one colour's level to the next or is what is referred to as a 'blend' in illustrator, where you create new vector shapes that ...er..interpolate from one shape to the next. (have I answered my own question?)

I'd like to play around with this too. If the shapes are complex, I wonder whether feathering or using an inner glow might work to blend the colours between levels?

If we can crack this problem, then overlaying the resulting image against a faint perlian noise background would provide a nice natural 'noise' to the mountains.

[RobA]

Interpolate actually creates new shapes between two paths and optionally interpolates the style attributes. Here is an example of interpolating between two shapes apart from each other, and of a white circle on a black square (similar to the way I did the contour interpolating).


Now please explain what is the 'blend' in illustrator - I don't know what it is...

-Rob A>

[ravells]

It's the same as interpolate.

[bricka]

I think this is a good place to explain in more detail what I've already done about this; I've written a Python script which will interoplate between contours in a rather vanilla way. For each point not on a contour, it finds the closest points to the contours on either side and calculates the height according to the distances to these points, so if a point was halfway between the nearest points on each of the 1000 and 2000 metre contours, it would be set to 1500 metres. Points within the topmost contour line are interpolated relative to the top two contours, which seems the only sensible thing to do.

This works well enough for a first approximation, but it lacks detail and isn't very useful for my purposes, which require a lot more realism. I tried to make the results more realistic by incorporating some plasma-generated landscaping, without much success. Ideally my program could take a quantised heightmap, interpolate in between the discrete levels, and apply some magic to generate realistic-looking mountains and so on. Any ideas?

[RobA]

Bricka-

How slow is it to process a large image?

-Rob A>

[su_liam]

Funny coincidence. I've just been working on a similar problem. I was playing around with a heightfield I found on the net(I've been looking into the possibility of stitching together real-world heightmaps and subtly altering them to produce interesting and "realistic" extraterrestrial landscapes). The heightmap had serious stairsteps so, in Bryce, I used several iterations of the smoothing, noise, erode and eroded tools to obliterate the steps(mostly), and then applied a fractal at very low opacity on top of that. Thus far my methods aren't at all systematic(just to taste) and won't necessarily maintain the original landform with great fidelity.

Attached, I have an image generated from the original hf at upper left. From lower right clockwise: a heavily modified version(this was my second try, I lost the first one, which was my favorite ), a less modified version, and on the upper right a minimally modified version(this is about as much of the original structure as I could maintain without obvious stepping.

I'll try to add individual closeups and heightfields later. I'll also try to work out my methodology. This really isn't interpolation(since it doesn't maintain the existing contours), it's more like draping a canvas over a frame. Only the frame can get a little whacked out of shape.

[RobA]

su_liam-

Can you post that original heightfield (as b/w or contour lines)?

It would be nice to have a standard example to play at with different techniques and compare the result.

-Rob A>

[su_liam]

su_liam-

Can you post that original heightfield (as b/w or contour lines)?

It would be nice to have a standard example to play at with different techniques and compare the result.

-Rob A>

They're jpeg and not my original 16-bit tiffs, but here you go...

interpOrig.jpg is the original. Mmm, duh?
interpHeavy.jpg is the one at lower right.
interpModerate.jpg is the one at lower left.
interpLight.jpg is the one at upper right.

edit: just noticed how bryce pooped all over the original aspect ratio. Sorry 'bout that.

[bricka]

Bricka-

How slow is it to process a large image?

It certainly wouldn't win any awards for speed; a file of a million pixels takes a few minutes.

[Redrobes]

In terms of stitching arbitrary height maps may I point you at some work done by Howard Zhou who has been working on this sort of thing for a while...

http://terrain.cg-arts.org/forum/ind....msg821#msg821
http://www.howardzzh.com/research/terrain/

To keep it simple, I believe he is finding the closest path between two maps and cutting along them - a bit like photo stitching I think. I reckon there is a lot more to it tho. Its unbelievably awesome actually. Anyways there is a world machine plug in to do it.