Mayan Complex in 3D

[Ascension]

I always wondered what the proper perspective for ISO was...now I know. It makes so much sense that I might toy around with this idea some, if just for adding icons to my maps. Thanks man

[RobA]

I always wondered what the proper perspective for ISO was...now I know. It makes so much sense that I might toy around with this idea some, if just for adding icons to my maps. Thanks man

True ISO is 120 degrees, with no foreshortening of elements, so 1 unit x,y,z all measure the same. (This, of course, makes me recall fondly having to had sketch iso parts in a drafting class I took too many years ago.)

-Rob A>

[RPMiller]

Sounds like we had the same class Rob. Was it Orthographic Projections and Geometry by any chance? That class was rough, but it really taught me a lot of really useful stuff that I still use to this very day.

[Gamerprinter]

I may yet create ISO structures, for the possible use in creating in ISO map for the Maya construction, I am working here, but my original goal was to create the kind of illustrative maps in 3/4 view depicting a historic location, battlefield plan - not an ISO map.

Think of flying from a small plane, hang glider whatever and looking at a 45 degree angle to the ground at a given location. If you could snap a photo from that view - this is what I am trying to create.

Truth tell, I don't care for ISO maps, what's missing in an isographic projection is perspective, which as an artist, I almost require to properly depict an illustrative or 3D created map. Most true ISO maps look so unrealistic without perspective, I just say "yech".

I guess my first goal is to create an illustrative 3D map of a Mayan Temple Complex and surrounding community. Then I will create the Xara created top down views of the same thing. Once complete, I will give the ISO version an attempt - only to accomodate those desiring ISO structures, not because its something I would do on my own initiative.

ISO is not for me, personally.

And yes, I created ISO drawings for drafting in 8th grade and high school over 30 years ago, as well.

GP

[RPMiller]

You were lucky. I didn't get to do drafting until I majored in Architecture in college. I wish I could have done it in high school.

Taking into account that you are talking about creating an entire map in the perspective that you want and not individual objects. I get what you are saying, although I think you'll be quite challenged to find the right camera angles and settings to get what you are after. I'm really intrigued by this project and given your talent I can't wait to see it.

I would like to add some relevent information regarding perspective since this is as good a place as any to mention it. What is perspective? Well... that depends on your perspective. A 3/4 view, but at what height? A 45 degree angle to the ground, but what is the angle to the object you are drawing? That is why Isometric drawings came into being. You had "absolutes" for all the angles and could project surrounding buildings and maps from those angles. In fact, there are really a lot of different meanings to the phrase "perspective drawing" and it depends on whether you are talking to a draftsman, an artist, or some combination of both such as a computer graphics artist... us. For the artist they deal with 1, 2 or 3 point perspective. For the draftsman they deal with specific angles, but depending on the project do slide into artistic realms from time to time. The computer graphic artist has the hardest job of all and has to keep in mind all the elements. Thankfully that has become easier over the years as the software has become more intelligent and all the math has been integrated so now they are back to the more artistic side of things.

Here is a link to perspective that relates to what I learned in college regarding perspective. This isn't the actual school I went to, but pretty much all the info is identical:

http://www.math.utah.edu/~treiberg/P...t/Perspect.htm

[Gamerprinter]

Exactly, RP, and as I mentioned, I looking in the "perspective" of an artist. However, allowing me to be ever more lazy. I am using a 3D application with a conical camera, therefore once I model and place the terrain and structures, the final perspective will be defined by the 3D program itself. So it decides the perspective, though I still have to setup the camera angles and distance from the objects in the right place.

That's why I chose to do this in 3D in the first place. The isometric discussion came through the result of thing of creating useable map objects out of the 3D and unless you go isometric, camera angles make it less useful.

I guess so isometrically speaking, my goal would be to create isometric projections of each final 3D object to be useable in creating those kinds of maps. Something I'll look into once I'm complete with the 3D map scene and the Xara top-down version of the same location.

GP

PS: just "repped" you RP for bringing up perspective, its an issue that should be discussed.

[RPMiller]

Thanks GP! I wasn't sure if I should take it to a different thread or not, but I figured it would get more views in one of yours than one of mine.

[Gamerprinter]

Been searching online for map views of Mayan temple/city plans. Finding plenty of here's a photo of one temple ziggurat or here's a regional map showing locations of mayan ruins, not so much as a city plan.

Teotihuacan is really much bigger of a community than I'd originally planned to emulate in a 3D map, but that's all I really have for reference.

So those who know, will realize my city plan below is greatly based on Teotihuacan's urban design. Though this map area is rectangular, this might be the "downtown" area. I plan to place more residential structures beyond the borders of this map view with a less a more random city-limits perimeter.

The greenish circle thing on the upper right side of the map is supposed to emulate a cenote sinkhole - water source, entry to the underworld. The roads will be a "raised road" with steps from ground level up to road level

Rather than naming the pyramids here as per Teotihuacan, I plan to use Temple of the Jaguar, Temple to Kukulkan, and perhaps Tlaloc, (Kukulkan's temple ziggurat is that large one on the bottom end of the map.)

Apparently Mayans built their city grids 15.5 degrees east of true north.

Note this is just a rough draft layout of where and what kind of structures I need to create.

GP

[NeonKnight]

Been searching online for map views of Mayan temple/city plans. Finding plenty of here's a photo of one temple ziggurat or here's a regional map showing locations of mayan ruins, not so much as a city plan.

Google-Fu......HeeeeeeeeeeeeYAH!

http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en...num=1&ct=title

http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en...num=1&ct=title

http://images.google.ca/images?um=1&...=Search+Images

http://images.google.ca/images?um=1&...=Search+Images

Of course, most of these sites are depicting the grand structures of the Ruins, certainly not Tlaoq's Bakery and Mill just of the main plaza

But, because you are asking for true city maps, the best city to look to, while not Mayan, is the city of Tenochtitlan, the capital city of the Aztecs. This city has been extensively studied through historical maps made by Cortes and Company when they first entered into the city.

Sadly, Tenochtitlan does not really exist as a ruins anymore, as it is now present day Mexico City, it's grand temples pulled down and the stones used to construct the cathedrals and villas of Mexico City.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenochtitlan


http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en...h+Images&gbv=2