Thanks for the advice I like the second one too. Those are just the colors I was working with at this point.

Im working on a more refined version now that im going to put into a macro.

Thanks!

Terry

p.s. there doesnt seem to be any way to show depth without the shadows.. been working with a few gradient combos to make a fake bump map to shade it the way i want without any prominent shadows.. that way i can still add my stronger shadows later.